The sound
of being pulled out into the slipstream ‑you'd almost have to hear it,
and a person telling you probably can't describe it either. The best way I can
think of to describe what happens when you first jump out of an airplane is
this: if you're traveling down the road in an automobile and you throw a piece
of paper out of the window, you notice how it flutters and turns and does all
kinds of whirlygigs. All of a sudden it just calms down and very gently floats
down to ground. Well, the initial reaction to a jump is very much the same.
When I rolled off that catwalk and into the slipstream, it just turned me every
which‑way but loose for a few minutes. Then it sort of comes down to your
normal falling speed ‑ around 120 miles per hour. But you have no sensation
of falling, because you have no reference point. If you fall off a ladder, you
can see the house go by. When you're 5 miles up in the air you're not passing
anything (although there were pieces of airplanes falling down all around you).
It isn't
noisy ‑ you don't hear anything but the wind whistling next to your ears.
I know when I first came back, I told my father I had glided for over 4 miles
before I pulled the ripcord. I thought I opened my chute between 2,000 and
3,000 feet ‑ I don't know.
We flew enough
to have a pretty good idea about how high we were when we got to a certain
place, because of the way things looked on the ground.
So I'm
telling my dad about straightening out and flying
like a bird ‑‑ well he says "you
oughtn't to tell people those
kinds of things"
He didn't believe me, so I said "come on dad! It really
happened" and he says "yeah, yeah ‑ I know".
I was
kind of worried about jumping before I did it – I didn't know if I could do it,
but in our case, there I was standing in the
Well, he starts to yell and scream at
me." Dis is for de ret chross! Don't you vant you mutt er and fatter to
know ver you are? If you anser dees kvestions, you can go out ant play
Then they
take me out and who should come walking down the hallway, but Hymie Hatton! And
that's when we met for the first time after the crash. We grabbed each other
and hugged each other...and they took us both out to the stockade.
I had
been in solitary and hadn't seen anybody (since the crash) until I came out of
interrogation. Hymie was standing down the end of the hall, waiting. There were
4 or 5 of us waiting. After we went into the stockade, we spoke to Krushas.
He was really despondent and didn’t want to talk. It was a rough time for all
of us.
They took
us on a truck or train (after several days) up to the
Now these
first few months, Hymie was in bad shape and he never did get medical
attention. Never had any! I understood that when he went up to Stalag Luft I,
he would get hospital treatment, but I guess not. The Germans would start to go
to sleep ‑ so you'd start to get it out and finally pull it up on top
there. They did let us get out on the deck and go to the bathroom, off the
rail. I know I crawled up that ladder and out of the hold. When you looked down
at all those people its like you were looking at a can of fish worms ‑ It’s
hard for anyone else to visualize just how that would be. Anyway, we finally
got to Stalag Luft IV.
Now
somebody carried Hy Hatton on the march, when they ran us
up that road (into Luft IV). I remember the guy was
about six feet -four and ball player from our compound at Hydekrug. He was a
very great person and picked Hatton up and carried him into that camp at
When your
dad and I went up that road, and Kirby came along, we all ended up out in an
open field for 2 or three days there; you weren't allowed to stand up. If you
stood up they'd open fire and they did that a couple of times. They shot over
our heads, but we just had to lay out there. We could move if we stayed on our
hands and knees, but we just weren't allowed to stand up ‑ AND BABY, I
DIDN'T STAND UP! A few people did and they would open up with those machine
guns and fire a few rounds over our heads.
One time
they took us over and let us get a shower ‑‑ it crossed my mind
that maybe this was it, (something was up) but I didn't know any orders had
gone out (to kill us) ‑ it never crossed my mind that they could really
do that ‑ I knew that if you did something you weren't supposed to do,
they would shoot you cause they did that to a few people. But as long as you
behaved yourself you were ok ‑ I know of one that got shot and I thought
that a whole mess of em were gonna get shot one other time. Your dad might have
remembered that ‑ I think he was in the other compound. A
German soldier was up working on the power lines and got
electrocuted.
A bunch
of G.I.'s were standing out there saying "Yay!" ‑ "that's the way to go baby! Kill another
one" and yellin' all that kind of stuff. The German officer in charge told
the guards to open fire ‑ I thought we had had it.
I
remember a boy from camp got a letter from his mother, which said they had a
German prisoner who was working on their farm (he came from a farming area).
They gave him the guys' room and hoped the German people were being as nice to
him as they were being to the German boy! They’d take the kid to the movies on
Friday night and take good care of him.
Well, our
boy reads the letter, goes over to the wall in the
barracks and starts beating his head on the wall! We
said, "Wait a minute what are you doing?" He says," Read that goddamn letter ‑
that friggin krout! Yah know? "
Right at
the end of the war, they marched us down to
When we
first got to Nurenberg, the Senior American Officer, named Spivey, came into
our enlisted men's compound. He said he wanted 25 orderlies to come over to the
officers' side to sweep out the officers' rooms. Well ‑ nobody would go
and he threatened us. People were
yelling things at him from the ranks and he said "He is going to have us
court marshaled." "Who said that" and so forth. Well, he finally
left and never came back; but can you imagine that. That big blow hard guy
believed that officers were God and enlisted men were servants; and we'd better
hop to or else he'd make trouble for us. Everybody was yelling obscenities at
him from the ranks. He kept on trying to find out who was saying that to him!
Now some
of the officers came over to our compound, when they first came in to
Nurenberg. After they got things straightened out they put all the officers
into a separate camp. I remember one of the guys had diarrhea bad. I had a few
extra rolls of toilet paper and I gave him some, because he was in such bad
shape. We cut up cigarette packages to make playing cards and toilet paper. If
you rubbed them between your palms a whole lot, then straightened them out, you
could make them real soft. I had a whole stack which I made (along with some
regular toilet tissue from the Red Cross package). I figured the guy needed
them more than I did. Hymie
Hatton was with me up at Luft IV, but Smitty was there in
Instead
it's the Queen, so I say "Whoa ‑ I didn't mean to play the
Queen." Well Smitty comes back with "A card laid is a card
played!"
I said,
"Oh... I"ve got the Three and the Deuce here, why would I play the
Queen? I just grabbed the wrong card out of my hand!" So he says, "A
card laid is a card played!" I say "Like hell!" and I pick up
the Queen.
About
that time the table went flying and Smitty hit me, so I hit him; and we went
round and round. We had a hell of a fight! There was a heavy little pot bellied
stove with Klim cans tied together to make a pipe, and that whole thing came
crashing down. All 26 guys in the room were trying to grab us before we could
get at each other!
It's a
funny thing, but the Germans gave us stoves without stove pipes. We took Klim
cans and cut slices in them on the edges. Then we’d save those metal strips you
get when you open the can with a key; they would be clinched all around the
outside of the joints. You would stack them up on top of the stove and put it
out through the chimney. That way we could use our stoves.
The next
day we apologized ... But isn't that terrible. I was closer to him than anyone
in the camp ‑ just he and I, out of our crew. That Smitty was always
ready to fight and he didn't care who you were or what you were ‑ he was
ready! He was a tough little rascal; just like a guard dog that comes at you
and growls at anybody.
They
decided to move us to
When we
left on that April fourth march, Smitty and I talked it over. We said:
"Now this will probably be a good time to escape." We don't know how
soon the war's going to be over or anything. Smitty says: "Yeah, I think
you're right." I said, "If we see a chance, let's go!" So he
says, "OK, I'II stay behind you. If we see a chance and you think its ok,
then I'II be right behind you!" I said, "Oh- Kay!"
So we're
walking down the road and these P‑47's come over us and do an Immelmann. They start strafing us from the back and are coming
towards us. Well ‑ everybody starts jumping into the ditch ‑
P.O.W.'s are running up and down this road. There's no guards, so I say,
"Now's my chance!" I take off through the woods like a scared ape and
I get way up on the side of a hill. I turn around and say, "We made it
Smitty!"
Well, by God, Smitty's no where
around! He's lying down there in the ditch and I'm all by myself. So I get up
there on the side of that hill and watch, while they reform the column. The
planes are gone and they march away. I just set up there and watched them
leave.
I was
free for about seven or eight days, trying to work my way back to the front
lines. I followed the sun and the stars (I kept them in line ‑ just kept
walking and when the sun came up, I knew which way was east. I could just keep
it behind me and then I'd tried to hide during the day. At night I'd go out
again.
That was
a story unto itself, because so many things happened to me during those seven days.
I met one of those guys who flew the P-47's over us on that march. He told me,
that their orders were to "fly over
This
pilot ended up being my boss, a few years after I got out of college and we got
to be buddies. One day we started to talk about our war experiences, and it
turned out that he was a fighter pilot. I was telling him about our being
strafed by P‑47's and he said "Hey that was me! I remember that ...
there was a long string of guys down there and four of us. We just flew over
you, then rolled over and started shooting at you guys. Our orders were to
shoot anything that moved! "Well," I said to him, "you dirty so
and so" ‑
He
replied, "Heck, we didn't know!" Well, we both had a laugh over it.
Smitty
told me later, that, he had the best time as a prisoner after that strafing business.
The column moved on and farmers were coming out, trading for eggs and bread.
The guards got pretty lax.
When I
came back on the ship I met some of the guys who had gone down to
I had a
little something to eat. I carried with me the crackers and grape jam in those
short cans that come in the Red Cross packages. The guards hadn't punched ours
with a bayonet, the way they usually
do. I also had a D‑Bar and two boxes of Domino sugar. That sugar will
keep you going for quite a while.
I stopped
one night and dug out some potatoes that were in a farmer's field. They buried
them over there, under big mounds, and I could dig down and get some. That
night I had an interesting experience. It scared the hell out of me.
I was
walking down this road, and I was hungry. I spied one of those mounds and I
thought this must be full of potatoes. I went over to it and started digging
down, when all of a sudden these dogs started barking. It seemed like there
were dogs all over
Soon, a
bunch of Germans came running out of this building ‑ maybe fifty yards
away. They were coming right towards me! I'm thinking: "Oh .... They got
me!" Well, they come up and start
to climb those mounds and get down inside (up at the top). I laid there as they went along this little
path right by me. It was pitch black and I could see them against the sky as I
looked up, but nobody saw me.
They were
all up in the mounds, but I couldn't figure out what they were doing. I laid
there for ten or fifteen minutes and listened as they talked to each other. I
was afraid I would sneeze or breathe too loudly. Finally the siren went off
again ‑ it was the "all clear" signal. The Germans all came
down off those mounds and headed for their barracks. I crawled up there when
they were gone to look: Do you know what I was in? I was right in the middle of
a Flak Battery. They had those great big guns up there and I was lying right in
the middle of all that crap. If they would have caught me, they would have
killed me for sure. They'd have figured I was trying to sabotage their guns!
Boy, I sure cleared out of there fast.
I knew
I'd have to find a place to hide, so I went off down that road, apiece. I saw a
barn and tried to get into it. But there were dogs all around and they started
barking. I took off up the road again.
Now it
was getting daylight and people were starting to move about. A German guard
from the Volksturm was standing on this bridge. He was a policeman with a long
green coat and a hat with the spike on top. A milkman with a tricycle type of
milk cart was selling stuff to the people walking by me. They were saying
"morgen" and I'd say "morgen" under my breath.
Now I've
got this knit hat on, that I'd made out of the sleeves of a Canadian blue
sweater and it had "
I kept on
walking and I got pretty close to the bridge. I bent over, with my head down
and my arms tucked in, and I let spit drip down onto my chin and started to
breathe heavy. I went: "Hughh .... ahhh ... hughhh ... ahhh ...
hughhh..." You know, I walked right by that guard, right across the bridge
and straight into the woods. He never stopped me; he just stood there looking, shaking
his head. Man, I was willing to do anything just then!
I was out
in the middle of those woods with no place to hide. A big patch of brambles
(like a blackberry bush or something) was all there was. So I tunneled into it
and unrolled the British blanket I had on my back. The Germans had given us a
spoon and a bowl which I used to eat something. It was daylight when I finally
pulled the blanket up over my head.
After
some time, I awoke and heard people out in the woods, having a picnic. It was a
bunch of frolicking boys and girls. I thought, "Oh damn it, couldn't they
find someplace else to have their picnic?"
A guy and
a girl came walking down towards my bramble bush and saw me in there (my head
was only a foot inside the bush). They crawled under, stuck their hands up and
pulled back the blanket to see what was under it. I looked up, saw them, and
then pulled the blanket back over my head. "Nichts," I said real
loud. The girl looked at me and said, "Ohh ‑ Schlafen gutt."
They left me alone and never turned me in. When it got night, I headed on my
way; but I got out of that mess.
I went
through a little village while they were evacuating it" I knew I was
getting close to the frontlines. There was a wagon and people climbing on it.
Meanwhile, I was doing my act, limping and so forth. This feldwebel (that's
sergeant in German) says to me "Blah blah blah ‑ blah." I said
back to him, "jawohl" and kept on walking. He comes over to me, grabs
me by the shoulder and spins me around. He points to the wagon and tells me
again in German, "Boo lagga da blaggada blah blah!" You know ... so I say to him
"Yawohl" and just keep on walking: He shrugs his shoulders and says
"Humphh" as if to say "Get on the wagon ‑ we'll give you a
ride away from here." And I'm
walking forwards to the front lines. I guess he was saying "To hell with
you ‑ go on ahead!" He let me go ‑ boy that was something!
Later
that night, the Germans were marching troops up to the front lines. They were
really old guys and I watched from the woods as they sat around smoking their
pipes. Big fat guys, they were, with big old mustaches.
Now I
thought, "What better way, then to just follow them!" So I'm
following along and I think: "This is crazy, me fighting through the woods
‑ when I could be out there on the road walking right along with
them." These old guys were talking with each other as they marched and
pretty soon someone said "Take five (or whatever they say in German)
". Well, they all sat down and lit their pipes up, so I sat down right
close to them. When their sergeant hollered for them to get up again, I just
fell in and marched right along with them all night! With
When it
started to get daylight, I skidded off into the woods and found a place to
hide. I knew I was real close now, because I could hear the small arms fire.
Eventually
I got into this little town with a river and I knew the front lines were right
across there. I figured to get across and find some place to hide, because I
thought the Germans would be defending the river. I thought: "If I can get
across one more river, get in about half a mile and get low... I can wait for
our troops to go by, stand up and surrender. I will have successfully escaped."
I go into
the town, but I don't want to go into the river. It had rained on the 5th or
6th of April and I had just gotten dry. Walking all night in the rain gets you
soaking wet and I’d had enough of that ‑ no, I wasn't going to swim
across that river.
I found a
doorway overlooking this little bridge and just watched and waited. First two
people crossed over, and then someone went by on a bicycle. A couple of ladies
were going out towards the woods to gather firewood and they came back with
bundles under their arms. Those woods over there were always so darn clean
because of this. Time passed on and I thought, "Well, there's nobody
around."
It was
quiet. I imagine the time was around 3:30 or 4:00 in the morning, so I walked
away from the doorway and out towards the bridge. Boldly, I walked across ...
there was nobody about and I tried to act like I was a regular citizen just
going about my business.
Well ...
I got half way over that bridge when EVERY GERMAN IN THE WORLD jumped
out and said, "HALT ‑ HALT" man, they had guns and everything.
They wanted my "pistole" ‑of
course, I didn't have anything.
My hands
up, they marched me across and took me to a little room somewhere. I figure
there was a home guard watching that bridge for anything suspicious. They saw
me in the doorway and just waited for me to make my move. Then they grabbed me.
I never will understand why all of a sudden they paid so much attention to me.
I didn't hear or see anyone and I don't even know where they came from!
After I
was recaptured, they put me in jail overnight in
Anyway,
they caught me and took me and right back to the camp that they had first moved
us out of. A couple of weeks later, Patton's 7th Army came in there and
liberated us.
At our
camp (when we were liberated) there was some Aussie prisoners there...and a
couple of them guys took some German rifles and went right up to the front.
They were up there and I
guess it was about a day later that a couple of tanks
rolled into that camp ‑ We were
just sitting around waiting to see what was going to happen next .They brought
these Aussies back in camp and this tank driver told me that these crazy
bastards were up there fighting. They were holed up in a shed and they were
defending against some German tanks. About that time, 4 or 5 American tanks
rolled in and captured the Germans. "Those crazy bastards. If we hadn't
got there, they'd have been dead in about four or five minutes!" Wait!... Now the Aussies said they were
really pissed because they had those tanks cornered ‑ they had 'em zeroed
in man! The Americans came up there and took all the credit! I guess its all in
your point of view!
Now you take your Russians . We had a couple of sheep
that were around our camp (not in it). When we got liberated the Russians
chased those sheep into a shed and they come out eating big hunks of meat ‑
raw ‑ they just killed 'em and ate' em raw ‑ I couldn't believe
those guys.
We had to stay there (after liberation) for a couple of
days ‑ and then there were trucks going through all the time carrying
German prisoners I bummed a ride with one of those guys and it took me back to
the rear lines. We just had to find our way back by ourselves. Those front line
troops who came in there and liberated us ‑ they took the Germans ,made
them prisoners, sent them back, and then they went on up to the lines. They
didn't have time to fool with us! We got back, one way or another, to the rear eschalon. There they organized us, took our names, did all
that kind of stuff. But you had to get back pretty much on your own, because
those guys that were fighting' had other things to do. They couldn't be fooling
around with us.
When I
got to Nancy or
When I
got to
This German gets up and comes over to the food
line with his tray. He just starts dipping in there, throwing food up on his
tray ‑ and this guy who was working in the mess line says nothing. I tell
him I want some more potatoes or something so he says, " Eat what you have
‑ come back if you want some more".
All of us
were prisoners who'd just gotten back and that didn’t sit well with us. ‑
Well...I was the first one over the steam table after that guy and then the
rest of the guys stormed over ‑‑ all, this clatter and noise brings
the mess officer running out, wanting to know what was going on .The guys told
him, you know, so he says "ok‑ok. Everything is alright now ‑
just get back over on the other side of the line. You give these guys whatever
they want!"
Right. So we didn't have any more trouble ,
but can you imagine ‑ here a German guy walks up there, just dips in and gets whatever he wants and the guy tells
me: "Eat what you got on your tray and if you want anymore, comeback!"
You know the old line in the Army! We heard it a lot, before we went overseas!
But not now, with all those Germans back there eating all they want! Boy what a
thing.